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	<title>Comments on: Reds Trade Kearns, Lopez for a Bunch of Guys You Never Heard Of</title>
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		<title>By: KC2HMZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>KC2HMZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No trade is ever a sure thing - but I think Iboros may have come as close as anyone to the thinking in the Reds&#039; front office. This isn&#039;t about Sabermetrics. It&#039;s about baseball. Baseball isn&#039;t about computers and spreadsheets. The players are human beings, not Strat-O-Matic cards. If that stuff were all it were cracked up to be then Billy Beane would have a handful of World Series rings right now. Last time I checked in Oakland, he was still looking for his first. 

No, this trade is about improving two of the team&#039;s most glaring weaknesses, namely its bullpen and its defense.

Now, what&#039;s Krivsky been doing since he got here? Improving the pitching (Arroyo, Guardado, Majewski, Bray) and defense (Hello to Hatteberg, Ross, Phillips, Clayton; goodbye to Lopez and Wily Mo).

Which, come to think of it, is exactly the same thing the last two World Series winners did to go from also-rans to champions.

Sounds like a plan to me, and looks to me like the Reds finally have a GM (and an owner) who care about the baseball side of the operation and not just the business side. After so many losing seasons in a row, I count this as a Good Thing.

Those who have pointed out that pitching isn&#039;t cheap are right on the money. There are a lot of teams in baseball looking for pitching. It&#039;s a seller&#039;s market. You either pay the price, or go to the end of the line and try again next year. Just like poker - ante up or leave the table. The Reds have been doing that since Lindner and Bowden were running things.

Giving up Kearns (when he&#039;s easily replaced by Denorfia or, if Heartthrob doesn&#039;t work out, Freel), Lopez (oh, and although nobody seems to have said this yet, if Clayton doesn&#039;t cut it they can move Phillips to shortstop - Brandon&#039;s natural position anyway - and insert Freel at 2B), and the remains of Ryan Wagner after Bowden had his hands in Wagner&#039;s career the first time is cheap when you consider who some of the alternatives (Dunn or Griffey, or some of the top-notch prospects like Bailey or Joey Votto) might have been.

And finally, without Kearns to drag the Reds into an arbitration case next year, Krivsky has created salary room to be active in the free agent market this coming winter. 

So, after years of leaving the table, the Cincinnati Reds have finally decided to ante up. I say it&#039;s about !#$%&amp;* time. Now I&#039;m going to go get some popcorn, and sit down and watch the rest of this season. I&#039;ve got a feeling it&#039;s going to be interesting.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No trade is ever a sure thing &#8211; but I think Iboros may have come as close as anyone to the thinking in the Reds&#8217; front office. This isn&#8217;t about Sabermetrics. It&#8217;s about baseball. Baseball isn&#8217;t about computers and spreadsheets. The players are human beings, not Strat-O-Matic cards. If that stuff were all it were cracked up to be then Billy Beane would have a handful of World Series rings right now. Last time I checked in Oakland, he was still looking for his first. </p>
<p>No, this trade is about improving two of the team&#8217;s most glaring weaknesses, namely its bullpen and its defense.</p>
<p>Now, what&#8217;s Krivsky been doing since he got here? Improving the pitching (Arroyo, Guardado, Majewski, Bray) and defense (Hello to Hatteberg, Ross, Phillips, Clayton; goodbye to Lopez and Wily Mo).</p>
<p>Which, come to think of it, is exactly the same thing the last two World Series winners did to go from also-rans to champions.</p>
<p>Sounds like a plan to me, and looks to me like the Reds finally have a GM (and an owner) who care about the baseball side of the operation and not just the business side. After so many losing seasons in a row, I count this as a Good Thing.</p>
<p>Those who have pointed out that pitching isn&#8217;t cheap are right on the money. There are a lot of teams in baseball looking for pitching. It&#8217;s a seller&#8217;s market. You either pay the price, or go to the end of the line and try again next year. Just like poker &#8211; ante up or leave the table. The Reds have been doing that since Lindner and Bowden were running things.</p>
<p>Giving up Kearns (when he&#8217;s easily replaced by Denorfia or, if Heartthrob doesn&#8217;t work out, Freel), Lopez (oh, and although nobody seems to have said this yet, if Clayton doesn&#8217;t cut it they can move Phillips to shortstop &#8211; Brandon&#8217;s natural position anyway &#8211; and insert Freel at 2B), and the remains of Ryan Wagner after Bowden had his hands in Wagner&#8217;s career the first time is cheap when you consider who some of the alternatives (Dunn or Griffey, or some of the top-notch prospects like Bailey or Joey Votto) might have been.</p>
<p>And finally, without Kearns to drag the Reds into an arbitration case next year, Krivsky has created salary room to be active in the free agent market this coming winter. </p>
<p>So, after years of leaving the table, the Cincinnati Reds have finally decided to ante up. I say it&#8217;s about !#$%&#038;* time. Now I&#8217;m going to go get some popcorn, and sit down and watch the rest of this season. I&#8217;ve got a feeling it&#8217;s going to be interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Red Hot Mama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Hot Mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lboros is welcome to enjoy the view of a trade from half the division away, Zeldink, but just because he brings two anecdotes of trades that looked like they wouldn&#039;t work but did hardly means this one is going to. All lboros really says is that he admires Krivsky&#039;s moxie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lboros is welcome to enjoy the view of a trade from half the division away, Zeldink, but just because he brings two anecdotes of trades that looked like they wouldn&#8217;t work but did hardly means this one is going to. All lboros really says is that he admires Krivsky&#8217;s moxie.</p>
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		<title>By: Zeldink</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zeldink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I&#039;m the opposite. The more I think on it, the more I like it. [url=http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/story/2006/7/14/61259/2453]Iboros&#039; take on it over at Viva El Birdos[/url] rang true with me.

There&#039;s a chance it&#039;s wishful thinking, but I can see this trade turning out to be something very, very good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I&#8217;m the opposite. The more I think on it, the more I like it. [url=http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/story/2006/7/14/61259/2453]Iboros&#8217; take on it over at Viva El Birdos[/url] rang true with me.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a chance it&#8217;s wishful thinking, but I can see this trade turning out to be something very, very good.</p>
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		<title>By: JinAZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JinAZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I keep hoping that I&#039;ll see this filed under Fake News.  The longer I think on it, the less I like it. -j</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep hoping that I&#8217;ll see this filed under Fake News.  The longer I think on it, the less I like it. -j</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s my take on the trade (as a metaphor): Wayne Krivsky was looking at a room full of 162 people.  Also in the room are a couple of mosquitoes carrying malaria.  Now these mosquitoes have taken out a few of the people and Krivsky is trying to figure out how to stop them.  He tried some of the simple options, waving his hand, fly swatter, and even trying a little bit of bug spray.  None of that seemed to work, so then he upped the ante by bringing out his shotgun.  He&#039;s a pretty good shot, so he&#039;s gonna kill some of those mosquitos, but as we all know, a shotgun sprays it fire.  So, in doing this, Krivsky may have just killed a few of those people as collateral damage.  The question that remains is whether he has killed more with the shotgun than the mosquitoes would have killed on their own.  I guess that&#039;s what we&#039;ll find out the rest of the year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my take on the trade (as a metaphor): Wayne Krivsky was looking at a room full of 162 people.  Also in the room are a couple of mosquitoes carrying malaria.  Now these mosquitoes have taken out a few of the people and Krivsky is trying to figure out how to stop them.  He tried some of the simple options, waving his hand, fly swatter, and even trying a little bit of bug spray.  None of that seemed to work, so then he upped the ante by bringing out his shotgun.  He&#8217;s a pretty good shot, so he&#8217;s gonna kill some of those mosquitos, but as we all know, a shotgun sprays it fire.  So, in doing this, Krivsky may have just killed a few of those people as collateral damage.  The question that remains is whether he has killed more with the shotgun than the mosquitoes would have killed on their own.  I guess that&#8217;s what we&#8217;ll find out the rest of the year.</p>
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		<title>By: joeberk</title>
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		<dc:creator>joeberk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the alternative to this deal was hoping Paul Wilson and Grant Balfour could help.  That doesn&#039;t exactly warm my heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the alternative to this deal was hoping Paul Wilson and Grant Balfour could help.  That doesn&#8217;t exactly warm my heart.</p>
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		<title>By: Geki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 05:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FRAR says Clayton is worth 1/10th of a win or one run over the rest of the season defensively over Lopez. VORP says Felipe is worth about 14 runs more than Clayton, or roughly one and a half wins. That&#039;s a significant downgrade there. It&#039;s tough to get a read on Deno because he&#039;s a rookie, but I think it&#039;s fair to expect a win or two downgrade from Kearns to him as well. Two relief pitchers simply don&#039;t make that up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FRAR says Clayton is worth 1/10th of a win or one run over the rest of the season defensively over Lopez. VORP says Felipe is worth about 14 runs more than Clayton, or roughly one and a half wins. That&#8217;s a significant downgrade there. It&#8217;s tough to get a read on Deno because he&#8217;s a rookie, but I think it&#8217;s fair to expect a win or two downgrade from Kearns to him as well. Two relief pitchers simply don&#8217;t make that up.</p>
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		<title>By: kmanq</title>
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		<dc:creator>kmanq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 03:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Starting pitching may not come cheap, but relief pitching? C&#039;mon. Many of the best relievers are failed starters. The Reds and all of baseball have plenty of those.

Lopez is on pace for about .270, about 20 homers, 40 steals and almost 90(!) walks. How many middle infielders in baseball are that good offensively? Defensively, he loses some of that advantage, but I doubt he loses all of it.

Kearns is more understandable, though I would have thought they could have got more.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Starting pitching may not come cheap, but relief pitching? C&#8217;mon. Many of the best relievers are failed starters. The Reds and all of baseball have plenty of those.</p>
<p>Lopez is on pace for about .270, about 20 homers, 40 steals and almost 90(!) walks. How many middle infielders in baseball are that good offensively? Defensively, he loses some of that advantage, but I doubt he loses all of it.</p>
<p>Kearns is more understandable, though I would have thought they could have got more.</p>
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		<title>By: Red Hot Mama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Hot Mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 02:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pitching ain&#039;t cheap. Truly told.

Kriv-dawg may wind up looking bad in this deal no matter what because the general public doesn&#039;t appreciate how tight the market for pitching is. Hopefully one or more of these new guys blows us away and makes this an obvious win for the Reds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pitching ain&#8217;t cheap. Truly told.</p>
<p>Kriv-dawg may wind up looking bad in this deal no matter what because the general public doesn&#8217;t appreciate how tight the market for pitching is. Hopefully one or more of these new guys blows us away and makes this an obvious win for the Reds.</p>
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		<title>By: joeberk</title>
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		<dc:creator>joeberk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 02:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IIRC the two pitchers who&#039;ll be joining the Reds are like 23 and 26 years old.  If the two guys were 33 and 36, I&#039;d probably feel more aghast at the trade.

I&#039;m glad that Bowden took on Wagner; I think he&#039;ll end up like Scott Williamson (funky mechanics lead to shoulder problems).

At the end of the day, pitching doesn&#039;t come cheap.  It was impossible for The Kriv to get anyone decent without giving up someone decent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IIRC the two pitchers who&#8217;ll be joining the Reds are like 23 and 26 years old.  If the two guys were 33 and 36, I&#8217;d probably feel more aghast at the trade.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad that Bowden took on Wagner; I think he&#8217;ll end up like Scott Williamson (funky mechanics lead to shoulder problems).</p>
<p>At the end of the day, pitching doesn&#8217;t come cheap.  It was impossible for The Kriv to get anyone decent without giving up someone decent.</p>
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		<title>By: Red Hot Mama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Hot Mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 01:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Reds did at least deal from a strength. Deno doesn&#039;t exactly fill Kearns&#039; shoes, but he could get there. Castro is hardly a Lopez clone, but he did just smack a homer, plus those manos dorados. I&#039;m not saying that the team isn&#039;t hurt for the loss of the two, but it&#039;s not like there&#039;s no one to take their place.

I don&#039;t know enough about the relievers to know whether they&#039;re going to make the bullpen more better than the lack of Kearns and Lopez will make the offense/defense worse. If so, I suppose it doesn&#039;t really matter if what we paid is worth the same as what we got.

It&#039;s just that the idea of getting taken by Bowden...it just makes my skin crawl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Reds did at least deal from a strength. Deno doesn&#8217;t exactly fill Kearns&#8217; shoes, but he could get there. Castro is hardly a Lopez clone, but he did just smack a homer, plus those manos dorados. I&#8217;m not saying that the team isn&#8217;t hurt for the loss of the two, but it&#8217;s not like there&#8217;s no one to take their place.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know enough about the relievers to know whether they&#8217;re going to make the bullpen more better than the lack of Kearns and Lopez will make the offense/defense worse. If so, I suppose it doesn&#8217;t really matter if what we paid is worth the same as what we got.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just that the idea of getting taken by Bowden&#8230;it just makes my skin crawl.</p>
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		<title>By: Zeldink</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zeldink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 01:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang, this is surprising. As happy as I am to see Hearthrob back with the team and getting his long overdue shot, I&#039;m about as bummed at seeing Kearns leave. I guess that my [url=http://www.red-hot-mama.com/diaries/comments.php?id=611_0_4_0_C]dream outfield[/url] isn&#039;t going to happen now.

Reading everyone&#039;s thoughts on Reds sites and general baseball sites indicates that the prevailing opinion is that the Reds lost. Big time.

I don&#039;t know. I can&#039;t see it as a salary dump or selling away the season. I think this is a genuine attempt to improve the team and the bullpen for this year. And because the pitchers are young, it could very well help for years to come.

Nothing we Reds fans can do now but cross our fingers and hope. Well, that&#039;s not entirely true. We could also bitch and moan about how stupid Kriv-dawg is and how much everybody who disagrees with our obviously superior opinion is ignorant and an idiot. But I&#039;m sure no Reds fan will stoop to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang, this is surprising. As happy as I am to see Hearthrob back with the team and getting his long overdue shot, I&#8217;m about as bummed at seeing Kearns leave. I guess that my [url=http://www.red-hot-mama.com/diaries/comments.php?id=611_0_4_0_C]dream outfield[/url] isn&#8217;t going to happen now.</p>
<p>Reading everyone&#8217;s thoughts on Reds sites and general baseball sites indicates that the prevailing opinion is that the Reds lost. Big time.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know. I can&#8217;t see it as a salary dump or selling away the season. I think this is a genuine attempt to improve the team and the bullpen for this year. And because the pitchers are young, it could very well help for years to come.</p>
<p>Nothing we Reds fans can do now but cross our fingers and hope. Well, that&#8217;s not entirely true. We could also bitch and moan about how stupid Kriv-dawg is and how much everybody who disagrees with our obviously superior opinion is ignorant and an idiot. But I&#8217;m sure no Reds fan will stoop to that.</p>
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